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== Attendees ==
We’re discussing sensitive issues, so I’m not going to post everything to https://wiki.encyclosphere.org/2024-04-12
Larry, John, LaCroix, Manon, Robert, Henry, Nancy, Tim


== Summary ==


Larry set topic:
SC: estimates $500K annual budget to make project sustainable
 
LS: wants to keep going even if not working full-time for KSF
 
JH: can’t keep doing what we’re doing
 
HS: could add one or two encyclopedias a month to encyclosearch.org as a volunteer
 
LS: we want to send email out to public sharing our expenses etc.
 
MC: series of shorter emails
 
SC: try GoFundMe
 
GiveSendGo - Pricing and Fees: The #1 Free Christian Fundraising Site
 
SC: membership model
 
https://www.overleaf.com/ for example
 
LS: let’s list member benefits, what does package look like
 
SC: sent proposal to Mamo some time ago
 
JH: you have to give members something in return
 
SC: idea is a ChatGPT trained on encyclopedia sources
 
LC: we did POC, need to demonstrate more results
 
Sorry, that’s LS
 
JH idea: go the AI route, AI needs encyclopedia data, we could provide it to them for a fee
 
(Jason’s idea: medallion architecture)
 
MC: gov’t grant?
 
LS: off the table
 
SC: gov’t funds basic science research
 
JH: application RFPs are dense, very difficult to appy
 
MC: there are people who specialize in doing the work
 
LS: grant writer
 
JH: look at worst case scenario to eliminate risk
 
LC: minimize overhead, what can be self-hosted?
 
LS: SC’s ZWINode is in that vein
 
MC: sell a thumb drive with public domain encyclopedias
 
LS: has started, taking him considerable time 14:57 Jane Jane says:👍 14:57 Tim Chambers
 
Wants to finish what he started (Gutenberg) 14:58 Jane Jane says: https://usenet-node1.com/
 
Jane says:Node 1. 15:01 Tim Chambers
 
MC: promote ZWI to archive.org
 
 
 
LS: back to what to announce about what public can expect for maintenance of what the project has produced
 
SC: enhub.org needs 2TB storage
 
SC: will write his plan up in his own words 15:12 John Hampson John Hampson says:👏 15:15 Jane Jane says:👍 15:15 John Hampson John Hampson says: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xA3kDJD0m14RMQmU9SIR8a1uZJIpLsMKNPlkuLpMtHA/edit#gid=869769818
 
15:18 Tim Chambers
 
encycloreader.org/files
 
 
 
A handful of encyclopedia bibliographies I’ve found so far. My sort from first half of [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/search?queryString=bibliography%20of%20encyclopedias&clusterResults=true&groupVariantRecords=false&subtopic=32000000%3A%3A32625000&changedFacet=topic&page=9 a WorldCat best match sort]. I can get any of these through interlibrary loan on my [https://ppld.org/ ppld.org] library card. That card also gives me access to [https://kfl.uccs.edu/ the UCCS Kraemer Family Library], but I have to be in the building on campus to get on the intranet. I plan to do that tomorrow.
 
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/7427257 Kister, Kenneth F.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/7427257 Encyclopedia Buying Guide, 1975-1976 : A Consumer Guide to General Encyclopedias in Print]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/7427257 . R.R. Bowker, 1976.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/690088620 Graff Hysell, Shannon, editor.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/690088620 Recommended Reference Books for Small and Medium-Sized Libraries and Media Centers]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/690088620 . 2011th ed., Volume 31 /, Libraries Unlimited, 2011.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/457842107 Ricci, Seymour de.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/457842107 Notes on the Bibliography of Encyclopedias, by Seymour De Ricci]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/457842107 . 1932.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/4626561 John Crerar Library.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/4626561 A List of Cyclopedias and Dictionaries: With a List of Directories. August, 1904]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/4626561 . Printed by Order of the Board of Directors, 1904.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/35760365 Louisiana. Department of Education. Office of Educational Support Services. Bureau of Special Projects.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/35760365 1995-96 Encyclopedia, Encyclopedic Reference, and Louisiana-Related Materials Catalog]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/35760365 . The Bureau, 1995.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/987332946 Swann Galleries, and Immanuel Kant.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/987332946 Early Printed Books : Bibles … Dictionaries & Encyclopedias … English Plays … Incunabula … Law : The Property of the Newberry Library, Kansas City Public Library, and Others]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/987332946 . Swann Galleries, 1995.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/504659776 CRAIG, Hardin.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/504659776 A Bibliography of Encyclopedias and Dictionaries Dealing with Military, Naval and Maritime Affairs, 1577-1961 … 2nd Edition]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/504659776 . Rice University Fondren Library, 1962.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/156775028 Library Association of Australia. Children’s Libraries Section. Victorian Division.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/156775028 Children’s Encyclopaedias]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/156775028 . Library Association of Australia, 1966.] 15:46 John Hampson John Hampson says:here’s a starter list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reference_works_in_the_public_domain
 
John Hampson says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_encyclopedias_by_date

Revision as of 16:26, 12 April 2024

Tim Chambers: I haven’t seen a Can’t decrypt data message in a minute or so

We’re discussing sensitive issues, so I’m not going to post everything to https://wiki.encyclosphere.org/2024-04-12


SC: estimates $500K annual budget to make project sustainable

LS: wants to keep going even if not working full-time for KSF

JH: can’t keep doing what we’re doing

HS: could add one or two encyclopedias a month to encyclosearch.org as a volunteer

LS: we want to send email out to public sharing our expenses etc.

MC: series of shorter emails

SC: try GoFundMe

GiveSendGo - Pricing and Fees: The #1 Free Christian Fundraising Site

SC: membership model 

https://www.overleaf.com/ for example

LS: let’s list member benefits, what does package look like

SC: sent proposal to Mamo some time ago

JH: you have to give members something in return

SC: idea is a ChatGPT trained on encyclopedia sources

LC: we did POC, need to demonstrate more results

Sorry, that’s LS

JH idea: go the AI route, AI needs encyclopedia data, we could provide it to them for a fee

(Jason’s idea: medallion architecture)

MC: gov’t grant?

LS: off the table

SC: gov’t funds basic science research

JH: application RFPs are dense, very difficult to appy

MC: there are people who specialize in doing the work

LS: grant writer

JH: look at worst case scenario to eliminate risk

LC: minimize overhead, what can be self-hosted?

LS: SC’s ZWINode is in that vein

MC: sell a thumb drive with public domain encyclopedias

LS: has started, taking him considerable time 14:57 Jane Jane says:👍 14:57 Tim Chambers

Wants to finish what he started (Gutenberg) 14:58 Jane Jane says: https://usenet-node1.com/

Jane says:Node 1. 15:01 Tim Chambers

MC: promote ZWI to archive.org


LS: back to what to announce about what public can expect for maintenance of what the project has produced

SC: enhub.org needs 2TB storage

SC: will write his plan up in his own words 15:12 John Hampson John Hampson says:👏 15:15 Jane Jane says:👍 15:15 John Hampson John Hampson says: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xA3kDJD0m14RMQmU9SIR8a1uZJIpLsMKNPlkuLpMtHA/edit#gid=869769818

15:18 Tim Chambers 

encycloreader.org/files


A handful of encyclopedia bibliographies I’ve found so far. My sort from first half of a WorldCat best match sort. I can get any of these through interlibrary loan on my ppld.org library card. That card also gives me access to the UCCS Kraemer Family Library, but I have to be in the building on campus to get on the intranet. I plan to do that tomorrow.

  1. Kister, Kenneth F.Encyclopedia Buying Guide, 1975-1976 : A Consumer Guide to General Encyclopedias in Print. R.R. Bowker, 1976.
  2. Graff Hysell, Shannon, editor.Recommended Reference Books for Small and Medium-Sized Libraries and Media Centers. 2011th ed., Volume 31 /, Libraries Unlimited, 2011.
  3. Ricci, Seymour de.Notes on the Bibliography of Encyclopedias, by Seymour De Ricci. 1932.
  4. John Crerar Library.A List of Cyclopedias and Dictionaries: With a List of Directories. August, 1904. Printed by Order of the Board of Directors, 1904.
  5. Louisiana. Department of Education. Office of Educational Support Services. Bureau of Special Projects.1995-96 Encyclopedia, Encyclopedic Reference, and Louisiana-Related Materials Catalog. The Bureau, 1995.
  6. Swann Galleries, and Immanuel Kant.Early Printed Books : Bibles … Dictionaries & Encyclopedias … English Plays … Incunabula … Law : The Property of the Newberry Library, Kansas City Public Library, and Others. Swann Galleries, 1995.
  7. CRAIG, Hardin.A Bibliography of Encyclopedias and Dictionaries Dealing with Military, Naval and Maritime Affairs, 1577-1961 … 2nd Edition. Rice University Fondren Library, 1962.
  8. Library Association of Australia. Children’s Libraries Section. Victorian Division.Children’s Encyclopaedias. Library Association of Australia, 1966. 15:46 John Hampson John Hampson says:here’s a starter list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reference_works_in_the_public_domain

John Hampson says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_encyclopedias_by_date

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