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{{meeting preface}}


We’re discussing sensitive issues, so I’m not going to post everything to https://wiki.encyclosphere.org/2024-04-12
== Attendees ==
Larry, John, LaCroix, Manon, Robert, Henry, Nancy, Tim


== Summary ==


SC: estimates $500K annual budget to make project sustainable
Larry set topic: Next steps for the KSF


LS: wants to keep going even if not working full-time for KSF
== Notes ==
Sergei: estimates $500K annual budget to make project sustainable


JH: can’t keep doing what we’re doing
Larry: wants to keep going even if not working full-time for KSF


HS: could add one or two encyclopedias a month to encyclosearch.org as a volunteer
John: can’t keep doing what we’re doing


LS: we want to send email out to public sharing our expenses etc.  
Henry: could add one or two encyclopedias a month to encyclosearch.org as a volunteer


MC: series of shorter emails
Larry: we want to send email out to public sharing our expenses etc.


SC: try GoFundMe
Manon: series of shorter emails


GiveSendGo - Pricing and Fees: The #1 Free Christian Fundraising Site
Sergei: try GoFundMe


SC: membership model
GiveSendGo - Pricing and Fees: The #1 Free Christian Fundraising Site


https://www.overleaf.com/ for example  
Sergei: membership model; https://www.overleaf.com/ for example


LS: let’s list member benefits, what does package look like  
Larry: let’s list member benefits, what does package look like


SC: sent proposal to Mamo some time ago  
Sergei: sent proposal to Mamo some time ago


JH: you have to give members something in return  
John: you have to give members something in return


SC: idea is a ChatGPT trained on encyclopedia sources  
Sergei: idea is a ChatGPT trained on encyclopedia sources


LC: we did POC, need to demonstrate more results  
Larry: we did POC, need to demonstrate more results


Sorry, that’s LS
John's idea: go the AI route, AI needs encyclopedia data, we could provide it to them for a fee


JH idea: go the AI route, AI needs encyclopedia data, we could provide it to them for a fee
(Jason’s idea: medallion architecture)


(Jason’s idea: medallion architecture)
Manon: gov’t grant?


MC: gov’t grant?
Larry: off the table


LS: off the table
Sergei: gov’t funds basic science research


SC: gov’t funds basic science research
John: application RFPs are dense, very difficult to appy


JH: application RFPs are dense, very difficult to appy
Manon: there are people who specialize in doing the work


MC: there are people who specialize in doing the work
Larry: grant writer


LS: grant writer
John: look at worst case scenario to eliminate risk


JH: look at worst case scenario to eliminate risk
LaCroix: minimize overhead, what can be self-hosted?


LC: minimize overhead, what can be self-hosted?
Larry: Sergei’s ZWINode is in that vein


LS: SC’s ZWINode is in that vein
Manon: sell a thumb drive with public domain encyclopedias


MC: sell a thumb drive with public domain encyclopedias
Larry: has started, taking him considerable time; wants to finish what he started (Gutenberg)


LS: has started, taking him considerable time 14:57 Jane Jane says:👍 14:57 Tim Chambers
Manon:
* [https://usenet-node1.com/ Node 1]
* Promote ZWI to archive.org


Wants to finish what he started (Gutenberg) 14:58 Jane Jane says: https://usenet-node1.com/
Larry: back to what to announce about what public can expect for maintenance of what the project has produced


Jane says:Node 1. 15:01 Tim Chambers
Sergei: enhub.org needs 2TB storage


MC: promote ZWI to archive.org
Sergei: will write his plan up in his own words


John: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xA3kDJD0m14RMQmU9SIR8a1uZJIpLsMKNPlkuLpMtHA/edit#gid=869769818


Tim: https://encycloreader.org/files


LS: back to what to announce about what public can expect for maintenance of what the project has produced
Tim: A handful of encyclopedia bibliographies I’ve found so far. My sort from first half of [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/search?queryString=bibliography%20of%20encyclopedias&clusterResults=true&groupVariantRecords=false&subtopic=32000000%3A%3A32625000&changedFacet=topic&page=9 a WorldCat best match sort]. I can get any of these through interlibrary loan on my [https://ppld.org/ ppld.org] library card. That card also gives me access to [https://kfl.uccs.edu/ the UCCS Kraemer Family Library].


SC: enhub.org needs 2TB storage
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/7427257 Kister, Kenneth F. ''Encyclopedia Buying Guide, 1975-1976 : A Consumer Guide to General Encyclopedias in Print''. R.R. Bowker, 1976.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/690088620 Graff Hysell, Shannon, editor. ''Recommended Reference Books for Small and Medium-Sized Libraries and Media Centers.'' 2011th ed., Volume 31 /, Libraries Unlimited, 2011.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/457842107 Ricci, Seymour de. ''Notes on the Bibliography of Encyclopedias,'' by Seymour De Ricci. 1932.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/4626561 John Crerar Library. ''A List of Cyclopedias and Dictionaries: With a List of Directories. August, 1904''. Printed by Order of the Board of Directors, 1904.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/35760365 Louisiana. Department of Education. Office of Educational Support Services. Bureau of Special Projects. ''1995-96 Encyclopedia, Encyclopedic Reference, and Louisiana-Related Materials Catalog''. The Bureau, 1995.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/987332946 Swann Galleries, and Immanuel Kant. ''Early Printed Books : Bibles … Dictionaries & Encyclopedias … English Plays … Incunabula … Law : The Property of the Newberry Library, Kansas City Public Library, and Others''. Swann Galleries, 1995.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/504659776 CRAIG, Hardin. ''A Bibliography of Encyclopedias and Dictionaries Dealing with Military, Naval and Maritime Affairs, 1577-1961 … 2nd Edition''. Rice University Fondren Library, 1962.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/156775028 Library Association of Australia. Children’s Libraries Section. Victorian Division. ''Children’s Encyclopaedias''. Library Association of Australia, 1966.]


SC: will write his plan up in his own words 15:12 John Hampson John Hampson says:👏 15:15 Jane Jane says:👍 15:15 John Hampson John Hampson says: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xA3kDJD0m14RMQmU9SIR8a1uZJIpLsMKNPlkuLpMtHA/edit#gid=869769818
John: Here’s [a couple of starter lists]
 
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reference_works_in_the_public_domain
15:18 Tim Chambers
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_encyclopedias_by_date
 
encycloreader.org/files
 
 
 
A handful of encyclopedia bibliographies I’ve found so far. My sort from first half of [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/search?queryString=bibliography%20of%20encyclopedias&clusterResults=true&groupVariantRecords=false&subtopic=32000000%3A%3A32625000&changedFacet=topic&page=9 a WorldCat best match sort]. I can get any of these through interlibrary loan on my [https://ppld.org/ ppld.org] library card. That card also gives me access to [https://kfl.uccs.edu/ the UCCS Kraemer Family Library], but I have to be in the building on campus to get on the intranet. I plan to do that tomorrow.
 
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/7427257 Kister, Kenneth F.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/7427257 Encyclopedia Buying Guide, 1975-1976 : A Consumer Guide to General Encyclopedias in Print]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/7427257 . R.R. Bowker, 1976.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/690088620 Graff Hysell, Shannon, editor.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/690088620 Recommended Reference Books for Small and Medium-Sized Libraries and Media Centers]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/690088620 . 2011th ed., Volume 31 /, Libraries Unlimited, 2011.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/457842107 Ricci, Seymour de.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/457842107 Notes on the Bibliography of Encyclopedias, by Seymour De Ricci]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/457842107 . 1932.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/4626561 John Crerar Library.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/4626561 A List of Cyclopedias and Dictionaries: With a List of Directories. August, 1904]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/4626561 . Printed by Order of the Board of Directors, 1904.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/35760365 Louisiana. Department of Education. Office of Educational Support Services. Bureau of Special Projects.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/35760365 1995-96 Encyclopedia, Encyclopedic Reference, and Louisiana-Related Materials Catalog]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/35760365 . The Bureau, 1995.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/987332946 Swann Galleries, and Immanuel Kant.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/987332946 Early Printed Books : Bibles … Dictionaries & Encyclopedias … English Plays … Incunabula … Law : The Property of the Newberry Library, Kansas City Public Library, and Others]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/987332946 . Swann Galleries, 1995.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/504659776 CRAIG, Hardin.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/504659776 A Bibliography of Encyclopedias and Dictionaries Dealing with Military, Naval and Maritime Affairs, 1577-1961 … 2nd Edition]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/504659776 . Rice University Fondren Library, 1962.]
# [https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/156775028 Library Association of Australia. Children’s Libraries Section. Victorian Division.]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/156775028 Children’s Encyclopaedias]''[https://ppld.on.worldcat.org/oclc/156775028 . Library Association of Australia, 1966.] 15:46 John Hampson John Hampson says:here’s a starter list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reference_works_in_the_public_domain
 
John Hampson says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_encyclopedias_by_date

Latest revision as of 16:51, 19 April 2024

Here are the notes about the weekly meeting of the Knowledge Standards Foundation. View notes from previous meetings.

Attendees

Larry, John, LaCroix, Manon, Robert, Henry, Nancy, Tim

Summary

Larry set topic: Next steps for the KSF

Notes

Sergei: estimates $500K annual budget to make project sustainable

Larry: wants to keep going even if not working full-time for KSF

John: can’t keep doing what we’re doing

Henry: could add one or two encyclopedias a month to encyclosearch.org as a volunteer

Larry: we want to send email out to public sharing our expenses etc.

Manon: series of shorter emails

Sergei: try GoFundMe

GiveSendGo - Pricing and Fees: The #1 Free Christian Fundraising Site

Sergei: membership model; https://www.overleaf.com/ for example

Larry: let’s list member benefits, what does package look like

Sergei: sent proposal to Mamo some time ago

John: you have to give members something in return

Sergei: idea is a ChatGPT trained on encyclopedia sources

Larry: we did POC, need to demonstrate more results

John's idea: go the AI route, AI needs encyclopedia data, we could provide it to them for a fee

(Jason’s idea: medallion architecture)

Manon: gov’t grant?

Larry: off the table

Sergei: gov’t funds basic science research

John: application RFPs are dense, very difficult to appy

Manon: there are people who specialize in doing the work

Larry: grant writer

John: look at worst case scenario to eliminate risk

LaCroix: minimize overhead, what can be self-hosted?

Larry: Sergei’s ZWINode is in that vein

Manon: sell a thumb drive with public domain encyclopedias

Larry: has started, taking him considerable time; wants to finish what he started (Gutenberg)

Manon:

  • Node 1
  • Promote ZWI to archive.org

Larry: back to what to announce about what public can expect for maintenance of what the project has produced

Sergei: enhub.org needs 2TB storage

Sergei: will write his plan up in his own words

John: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xA3kDJD0m14RMQmU9SIR8a1uZJIpLsMKNPlkuLpMtHA/edit#gid=869769818

Tim: https://encycloreader.org/files

Tim: A handful of encyclopedia bibliographies I’ve found so far. My sort from first half of a WorldCat best match sort. I can get any of these through interlibrary loan on my ppld.org library card. That card also gives me access to the UCCS Kraemer Family Library.

  1. Kister, Kenneth F. Encyclopedia Buying Guide, 1975-1976 : A Consumer Guide to General Encyclopedias in Print. R.R. Bowker, 1976.
  2. Graff Hysell, Shannon, editor. Recommended Reference Books for Small and Medium-Sized Libraries and Media Centers. 2011th ed., Volume 31 /, Libraries Unlimited, 2011.
  3. Ricci, Seymour de. Notes on the Bibliography of Encyclopedias, by Seymour De Ricci. 1932.
  4. John Crerar Library. A List of Cyclopedias and Dictionaries: With a List of Directories. August, 1904. Printed by Order of the Board of Directors, 1904.
  5. Louisiana. Department of Education. Office of Educational Support Services. Bureau of Special Projects. 1995-96 Encyclopedia, Encyclopedic Reference, and Louisiana-Related Materials Catalog. The Bureau, 1995.
  6. Swann Galleries, and Immanuel Kant. Early Printed Books : Bibles … Dictionaries & Encyclopedias … English Plays … Incunabula … Law : The Property of the Newberry Library, Kansas City Public Library, and Others. Swann Galleries, 1995.
  7. CRAIG, Hardin. A Bibliography of Encyclopedias and Dictionaries Dealing with Military, Naval and Maritime Affairs, 1577-1961 … 2nd Edition. Rice University Fondren Library, 1962.
  8. Library Association of Australia. Children’s Libraries Section. Victorian Division. Children’s Encyclopaedias. Library Association of Australia, 1966.

John: Here’s [a couple of starter lists]

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